Notes for Azed 2,735
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Azed 2,735 Plain
Difficulty rating: (3 / 5)
After last week’s uber-friendly offering (ie you could have solved it during a taxi ride), this week we have a horse of a significantly different colour. Quite a few anagrams to help the solve along, but also a good helping of obscurities and some wordplays that pushed the boundaries of acceptability.
Note that, as pointed out by correspondent Rick, the enumeration for 22d should be (6) rather than (5).
Setters’ Corner: This week I’m going to look at clue 1a, “What covers wound discharge? Woman may use it in boudoir (12)”. The wordplay is a charade separately indicating the two elements of the (8-4) hyphenated solution, the first being a word for something which covers a wound and the second being a verb meaning ‘to discharge’ or ‘to dismiss’. So far, so good. But the solution is shown by Chambers as ‘obsolete’, which means that it is defunct in terms of modern usage. There are two ways that setters can indicate such words in clues: either through a qualifier such as ‘old’ or ‘neglected’, eg ‘old sign’ for GEST, or (in particular for nouns) by the use of a past tense in the definition, eg ‘It was a sign’ for GEST. Here, though, we have neither, and that is unsatisfactory. In this instance, ‘route 2’ was the way to go, something along the lines of ‘Woman may have used it in boudoir’.
Across
12a Regarding clergyman, not ‘priest’ outwardly (4, 2 words)
A six-letter word for a clergyman has the two-letter abbreviation for ‘priest’ stripped from the outside (‘not…outwardly’).
14a Score here and there, returning single unimportant? Not I (6)
A three-letter word for a ‘single’ scored in cricket is reversed (‘returning’) and followed by a four-letter word meaning ‘unimportant’ from which the letter I has been removed (‘not I’). The answer is also a cricketing term, often encountered in harness with ‘nudge’.
16a Violet Grey having smirk about foreign food place? (8)
A four-letter ‘smirk’ containing (‘about’) an informal word for ‘a place which sells high quality, often foreign or unusual prepared foods’ leads to a term for ‘violet-grey’. Over time, I have become increasingly picky about words whose only purpose is to link definition to wordplay (or vice versa) – I originally had a moan about ‘having’ here, but (as per discussion with RJHe below), this was probably unfair to Azed. However, I stand by my comments about such words when, as in 11d, they indicate that the definition leads to the wordplay rather than the other way round.
19a Religious deputy, man from Rome holding cases (5)
The Latin word for a man (‘man from Rome’) contains (‘holding’) the two-letter abbreviation for ‘cases’, with the definition drawing on a less common sense of a familiar word.
20a Element of climatic graph is first to include US island (7)
The letters IS (from the clue) are followed by a three-letter word for ‘first’ containing (‘to include’) the two-letter abbreviation for a well-known US island.
21a Chemical flask, in tangles round point (7)
A four-letter word for ‘tangles’ (noun or verb, take your pick), often used in reference to hair, is put round a “setter’s friend” which can describe either a headland (ie ‘point’) or an Ethiopian prince.
26a Stalks ancient paths round mine shaft (8)
A five-letter obsolete (‘ancient’) word meaning ‘paths’ (or, in current usage, ‘pens for pigs’) contains a word for a mine or a mine shaft. The plural which constitutes the answer is to be found in Chambers under the five-letter singular form which will be familiar to all REM fans.
28a Ferries old men traversing river (5)
I’m sure correspondent Tim C will have had no problem with the wordplay here, but I can’t recall previously coming across ‘old man’ as a term for an adult male kangaroo. An informal word for kangaroos is here found containing (‘traversing’) the usual abbreviation for ‘river’, producing a hyphenated solution, though there really ought to be an indication that ‘old men’ is an definition by example.
30a Jersey etc with parasites, get-up for penitents (6)
The two-letter abbreviation for the geographical group of which Jersey is a part precedes a familiar word for ‘parasites’, this being one of those Azed clues where you can be almost certain about the correct answer even if you’ve never come across (or, indeed, donned) the ‘undergarment worn by penitents, originally made of haircloth but now usually a band of pronged wire’. Now that’s gotta hurt.
Down
1d See Jock’s strut, pale for love of Scottie? (5)
The wordplay here just about works, I think, with a three-letter word for ‘pale’ replacing (‘pale for’) the usual single-character representation of ‘love’ in (‘love of’) the sort of animal exemplified by a Scottie (‘Scottie?’). My dislike of ‘link words’ extends also to words like the ‘See’ at the start of this clue, which serves no purpose other than to enhance the surface reading.
3d Saw wee boy died in it (6)
A three-letter word for a little lad (more American than Scottish, despite the ‘wee’) and the usual abbreviation for ‘died’ are contained by a two-letter abbreviation which, in the land of the crossword, often equates to ‘it’. A good excuse for me to repeat Dorothy Parker’s observation on a character in Elinor Glyn’s novel It: “And she had It. It, hell; she had Those.”
4d What Sandy may have spent for pop endlessly? (6)
One of those awkward clues where you may not know either the word which goes in the grid or the word which is the key element of the wordplay. Here a seven-letter word for a champagne (‘pop’) produced near Rheims is deprived of its last letter (‘endlessly’) to produce a Scots word for a familiar element (differing in its spelling by one letter), and thus for money.
7d What’s caught off US coast in sound, reddish-brown (6)
A strange homophone clue, in that neither of the pronunciations offered by Chambers for the horse-mackerel matches that given (‘in sound’) for a reddish-brown or light chestnut colour.
11d Gland yielding fluid, mostly jaundiced within (11)
A five-letter word for ‘fluid’, often seen referring to one containing antibodies and used for immunization, has inside it (‘within’) a word meaning ‘jaundiced’ from which the last letter has been omitted (‘mostly). You will probably have guessed by this time that I was less than enthusiastic about the ‘yielding’.
18d Sun out before canonical hour is up, concealing nothing (8)
An anagram (‘out’) of SUN is followed by a reversal (‘up’) of a word for one of the hours of the Divine Office, originally held at the third hour of the day (hence the name).
25d Is fed without second, hot, salt-free (5)
A word meaning ‘is fed’ (or ‘gets on’, often with ‘well’) is deprived of its second letter (‘without second’) and followed by the usual abbreviation for ‘hot’.
27d Race whose winner is auctioned without right saddle once (5)
The six-letter term for a horse race where the winner is offer for sale loses the usual single-letter abbreviation for ‘right’, the result being an obsolete (‘once’) word for a saddle.
29d Get penny for leak (4)
A three-letter word meaning ‘get’ (as you might ‘get’ what someone is trying to say) is followed by the current abbreviation for ‘penny’.
(definitions are underlined)
Hi Dr C. On the vexed question of linkwords between Definition and Subsidiary Indication, I don’t mind them at all as long as they make sense. “D having SI” (as in 16ac) to me makes perfect sense, unlike eg “D yielding SI” (as in 11dn) which really ought to be “D yielded by SI”. The real eye-opener here though is 4dn which has “D for SI”, a construction that Azed himself has said before on multiple occasions that he doesn’t like.
BTW it’s funny how different people have different solving experiences: last week’s “uber-friendly” puzzle was one that I really struggled with, whereas this week’s supposedly harder one I found to be a breeze!
Hi RJHe
Let me say that, while I generally avoid linkwords in my own clues, I have no issue with them when used fairly, and my observation regarding ‘having’ in 16a was unjustified – I wrote the notes in something of a hurry, but that’s no excuse. That said, I do believe that Azed’s use of linkwords has become increasingly liberal to the point of occasional unsoundness – like you, I don’t like the ‘back to front’ ‘yielding’ in 11d or ‘for’ in 4d. Azed wrote the following in the slip for 1,814:
“So now to my views on ‘linking words’ in cryptic clues. Leaving aside ‘& lit.’ clues (to which I shall return, but not this month), I suppose the simplest form of cryptic clue is the one in which the definition (one or more words) and the cryptic indication of it (sometimes called ‘wordplay’) stand side by side, either preceding the other, with no intervening verbiage, i.e. with no linking words. It is however entirely legitimate to indicate by means of such linking words that the wordplay stands for or leads to the definition, i.e. the solution to the clue. I am far less happy about clues based on the reverse process, i.e. those that imply that the definition stands for or leads to the wordplay, which I find counter-intuitive.”
I think that squares very nicely with my own view. What do think about something like that ‘See’ at the start of 1d?
I generally assess the difficulty of plain puzzles based on the number of clues that I mark as being worthy of comment (for reasons of complexity), with 16 being ‘average’. I will increase the rating if there are any clues that I think solvers will find particularly tough – not necessarily to get the answer (eg 28a in the latest puzzle), but to fully parse; these are the ones that are most likely to appear on the help forums. This week I had 19 clues marked, whereas last week it was around 12, hence my ratings. But some days I’m in better form than others, so it’s far from being an exact science. Also, experience tells me that there are certain types of clue that cause problems to many solvers, in particular composite anagrams, although I suspect that you, like me, tend to find these quite straightforward due to familiarity. ‘Specials’ are particularly subjective – I probably struggle more with ‘Wrong Number’ puzzles than any others, because I keep forgetting what it is that I’m meant to be doing!
Ha ha, I had a feeling you must have written this report in haste as your views on most things, including linkwords, are usually very similar to mine. When it comes to superfluous words such as “see” preceding – or eg “required” following – the definition, I suspect you’ll agree with me that, though not ideal, they’re perfectly acceptable if they improve the surface reading and can be justified grammatically.
Thanks for the reminder of comp #1,814 (a good one for me!). Azed is even more specific about the case of “for” a few months later in his comments for comp #1,845 (UPBRAID) when he says:
“For some reason ‘for’ as a linking word from the definition to the cryptic treatment came up a lot this month (e.g. ‘What knockers do for uninitiated love when their support breaks!’). As I mentioned in a recent slip where I discussed linking words generally, I’m not keen on this. The natural progression, it seems to me, involves the cryptic part leading to (i.e. ‘standing for’) the definition part (the target word).”
Well, that seems pretty clear!
Regarding ‘See’ in 1d, I agree with what you say, though I’d have preferred something like ‘Strut around Glasgow’.
I have to admit that I got 28a from the definition which I remembered, and then had to go and check the old man term. It appears in the title of one of Mr. Kipling’s (exceedingly good cakes!) Just So stories. If you mentioned “old man” to me and said what animal, I would think a large flightless bird would come to mind first (and very tasty they are too).
Thanks, Tim – a quick Google search did make me wonder whether the term was in common use.
Agreed that AD’s below par, technically, but assigning incorrect number of letters to a solution (22 D) is, in my view. Is unacceptable, whether printer’s revelry of not..
Hi Rick
Thanks – I hadn’t spotted that. As the solve progresses, I tend to look at the space in the grid rather than the number in brackets (that’s my excuse!).
I’ve updated the notes accordingly.