Notes for Azed 2,768
There are usually one or two points of interest in an Azed puzzle, and here we pick them out for comment. Please feel free to add your own questions or observations on any aspect of the puzzle (including clues not listed below) either by using the comment form at the bottom of the page or, if would prefer that your question/comment is not publicly visible, by email.
Azed 2,768 Plain
Difficulty rating: (3 / 5)
Important note: several clues in the PDF differ from the (seemingly revised) versions in the interactive version of the puzzle and the one printed in the paper (which are very similar). If you are solving the PDF, the following clues need to be corrected:
24a : Clever clogs? One often goes with pants or boots (6)
17d: Unusual goat-trap displaying detachable cover (8, 2 words)
25d: The N. English thoroughfare? A path of yesteryear (5)
Conversely, the interactive version shows 10a as ‘(10)’, 28a as ‘(7)’, and (17d as ‘(8)’; the printed and PDF forms correctly show them all as being ‘2 words’.
In 8d (PDF version), Catch-22 should be italicized.
This puzzle represents a landmark in the Azed series, with all solvers being invited (and, indeed, encouraged) to submit their competition entries electronically. I am also given to understand that, once the grids have been checked and those with errors disqualified, the clues submitted by the remaining solvers will be anonymized and sent to Azed for his consideration. Once the judging is complete, the clues will be reunited with the names of their authors in order that the results can be published. I’d like to think that this move (and I’m sure that it will need a little while to ‘settle down’, so please be patient with the Tortoise) will satisfy those who, like myself, have long wanted to see both electronic submission as an option for all competitors and ‘blind’ judging – the latter not because I think that Azed shows conscious bias towards particular competitors, but because all suspicion can only be eliminated if the authorship of the clues at the time of judging is unknown. This is the ideal time for solvers who haven’t submitted clues before to have a go (once the clue submission mechanism is working) – it would be great to see some brand new names in the lists over the coming months.
As far as this puzzle was concerned, it was another in the sequence of relatively tricky ‘plains’, with very few easy starters. There were some nice clues in there, and a few little bits and pieces for me to quibble with! I’m sure that ‘over’ in 17d should read ‘cover’, and I suspect that the second ‘clogs’ in 24a ought to be ‘boots’ (the enumeration in this clue is missing an opening bracket).
Clue Writers’ Corner: A correspondent recently raised the subject of ‘link words’ in competition clues, ie those words (or phrases) which connect the definition to the wordplay, such as ‘[wordplay] in [definition]’ or ‘[definition] from [wordplay]’. Azed often uses link words in his clues (eg 5a, 10a, 12a, 15a, 16a and 27a in the current puzzle for starters); there is nothing unsound about this, and Azed has never suggested that normal competition clues containing a link work would be marked down. In the slip for 1,814, he wrote:
“So now to my views on ‘linking words’ in cryptic clues. Leaving aside ‘& lit.’ clues (to which I shall return, but not this month), I suppose the simplest form of cryptic clue is the one in which the definition (one or more words) and the cryptic indication of it (sometimes called ‘wordplay’) stand side by side, either preceding the other, with no intervening verbiage, i.e. with no linking words. It is however entirely legitimate to indicate by means of such linking words that the wordplay stands for or leads to the definition, i.e. the solution to the clue. I am far less happy about clues based on the reverse process, i.e. those that imply that the definition stands for or leads to the wordplay, which I find counter-intuitive [clues such as 10a and 16a in the current puzzle suggest that his view on this point may have changed – DC]. What linking words are acceptable, then? I have no intention of attempting a definitive list, but I regard as acceptable anything that clearly and grammatically indicates the process involved. So ‘for’ (meaning ‘in reference to’, etc) and ‘in’ (meaning ‘consisting of’, etc) are clearly acceptable, as well as a wide range of other words and phrases which have the same or similar meanings. As so often in these matters, I urge you to ask yourselves whether the clues you construct include clear (albeit veiled) instructions to the solver how to proceed from the wordplay to the target solution.
That said, one of the most pleasing forms of misdirection involves the break between the definition and wordplay being heavily disguised, and both link words and punctuation tend to militate against this. Given the choice between a link word and a comma to connect wordplay and definition, I would favour the link word, because while both are likely to make the ‘join’ fairly obvious, the surface reading will almost certainly flow better without a pause. Ideally, a competition clue should contain a definition, a wordplay, and nothing else, but if your best clue will only work with a link word, then you should have no hesitation about submitting it.
A couple of additional points regarding this month’s competition: (i) there are some words of advice (‘wisdom’ would be putting it a bit strongly) for newcomers to Azed clue writing at https://www.clueclinic.com/index.php/writing-azed-clues, and (ii) when clueing a word which appears as a subhead in Chambers (eg ‘crossword’), you should avoid using the headword (in my example, ‘cross’) in the wordplay, in particular with a similar sense to that which it has in the subhead (eg ‘oblique’ or ‘transverse’).
Across
1a Old person, carelessly lax inside, snuffed out taper (5)
A (3,5) term for a candle or taper has a rearrangement (‘carelessly’) of the letters LAX inside removed (‘snuffed out’).
10a Whortleberry, source of an idea when opening grapery (10, 2 words)
An anagram (‘opening’) of AN IDEA and a word for something which produces grapes (I’m not sure that it can truly be described as a ‘grapery’) combine to produce the (6,4) answer.
12a Greek character, see, in boom making lolly (8)
The name of the penultimate letter of the Greek alphabet and the single letter called ‘see’ are contained by a word describing the sort of boom that controls the position of a sail.
15a 3-part area, tons in brick-earth (5)
The 3-part area was made up (according to Julius Caesar, and he would know) of Gallia Celtica, Belgica, and Aquitania. Its name is followed by the usual abbreviation for ‘tons’.
19a Apple sauce? Nothing replaces second ingredient (7)
There is a ‘sauce’ (although its not usually referred to as such) for which there is no substitute on treacle sponge, and which, when mixed with bananas, allowed to cool, and topped off with a glacé cherry, is a source of great joy. Its second letter (‘second ingredient’) is replaced by the usual representation of ‘nothing’.
24a Clever clogs? One often goes with pants or boots (6)
I solved the clue from the PDF, where the last word is a repeat (or, if you’re Richard Heald, a palillogy – who knew?) of ‘clogs’. This revised clue, which puts me in mind of Ian Dury’s finest album, suggests two possible compounds starting with the answer, both of which are confirmed by Chambers.
27a Salmon in group with similar character? Not right (4)
A six-letter statistical term for a group with a shared characteristic (or a word for part of a Roman legion) is deprived of the two-letter abbreviation for ‘right’.
31a Trouble in evidence of overweight, hence thresh around (10, 2 words)
A three-letter word meaning ‘[to] trouble’ (as in ‘What troubles you?’) is contained by a four-letter word for something that provides evidence that a person is overweight and a three-letter interjection similar to ‘Clear off!’ or, for those of a more classical disposition, ‘Hence!’, which was memorably addressed to the damned dog of a Shakespearean anti-heroine.
Down
2d Fish bearing live young? You’ll find us in African country (8)
The consecutive letters US (from the clue) are contained by the name of an African country which, strictly speaking, includes a definite article.
3d Spread by the sound of it what’s often attached to loom (4)
A homophone (‘by the sound of it’) for a three-letter word meaning ‘[to] spread’ or ‘[to] broadcast’ produces a word which is often prefixed to ‘loom’ (the latter in the sense of ‘utensil’).
4d Type of rabbit – what might that be in Pacific tree? (6)
A (1,3) expression for what a rabbit might be is contained by a two-letter Pacific tree (regular solvers will know the one).
8d Therapeutic exercise, such as Catch-22? (10)
The wordplay leads to a (6,4) expression which could certainly describe Catch-22, or indeed Something Happened, where not much did till the end. The answer, a technique invented by another Joseph, and apparently based on Rolfing (don’t ask), is given by earlier editions of Chambers as (6,4) but is now shown as a single word.
9d First player is on my left? Perfect (5)
Azed is clearly a devotee of poker or the like, where if the first player who will bet is on my left, that means ? ????.
11d Freshwater fish? Not what angler displays! (10)
An example of the sort of angler that Azed is referring to is to be found at 1d, where what he does display is clearly described in terms that leave little to the imagination.
18d Taking gee out flexed legs round old track, i.e. part them wide (7)
A bit of a convoluted one, where the letter called ‘gee’ is removed (‘taking…out’) from an anagram (‘flexed’) of LEGS, which is then put round a four-letter archaic word for a track (cf 25d) to produce an obsolete form of a familiar eight-letter word.
21d Busy, in brief, sent abroad, we’ll regulate strikes (7)
The three-letter abbreviation for the sort of ‘busy’ whose appearance at Arthur Daley’s car lot would have presaged trouble is followed by an anagram (‘abroad’) of SENT.
23d Distant source of radiation in the capacity of timeless heavenly body (6)
A three-letter Latin word meaning ‘in the capacity of’ is followed by a four-letter ‘heavenly body’ from which the usual abbreviation for time has been omitted (‘timeless’).
(definitions are underlined)
I don’t suppose Azed has teenage admirers but do you know why under-18s are not allowed to enter the competition? This applies to Everyman too. Might entrants be asked for proof of age? I was challenged recently when buying wine in a supermarket, but as I’m 74 I assume they were having a laugh.
Hi Andrew
The shops often have signs that say “If you’re lucky enough to look under 25 you will be asked to prove you are over 18”, so perhaps you’re just very lucky indeed 😉.
Competitions involving skill, such as prize crosswords, are not covered by the Gambling Act, but the over-18 thing seems pretty standard. For instance, para 1 of the Ts and Cs for the Guardian prize crossword (click here) is clear on the subject. I suspect that the issue concerns data protection both in terms of storage and publication of participants’ details, but that is pure supposition – others may have more or better information..
I’ve now read the Ts & Cs for the Azed competition. I was surprised to see that only entries from UK residents are eligible for prizes (although I can see that book tokens aren’t much use outside the UK). Entries from non-UK residents are eligible only for VHC. Many have commented that online submission makes entry from overseas easier. I hope non-UK entrants realise that they are in it for glory alone. I wonder whether Azed will ever say in the slip that a clue from, say, Luciano Ward or Paul Henderson would have won a prize if the rules allowed it.
I am faintly envious that Luciano can post an entry from the US for $1.65. To send a similar letter in the opposite direction costs £3.20.
The only way that restriction will work in practice is if the Tortoise sends the anonymized clues to Azed for judging with some marked as ‘eligible for VHC only’. Seems unlikely, but in any event I can imagine overseas competitors countering this by providing false UK addresses, such as 10 Downing St or Monzo Bank HQ.
I have wondered in the past what would have happened if I’d managed to fluke a top 3 under the old owners. The book token wouldn’t have been a problem as I would have just posted it to someone in the UK. I did think about the Azed Cup though as the postage would be expensive and not worth it. I submitted this one with my Australian address, but could easily have used one of my rellies’ addresses in the UK.
I’ve received the following e-mail after submitting my online clue entry and explanation – “Thanks for filling in – COMPETITION – scroll down to submit. Here’s what was received….” followed by a copy of my e-mail address, clue and clue explanation. I can’t see any wording explicitly thanking me for entering the Azed competition but I assume that’s sufficient. When I press on COMPETITION – scroll down to submit, it simply goes to a blank form. Do I need to do anything further?
Hi Azedophile
Here’s a link to an uploaded image of the sort of mail that you should expect to receive. If you’ve got something like that, and it correctly reflects your submission, then everything has gone through fine.
I’m sure that Tortoise will improve the appearance of the emails, but since at the moment they are using Google Forms, and they’ve had to play around with the form name for the benefit of the screen display, the mails currently look a bit strange.
The submit clue is not working for me… so I’d be glad to know how anyone thinks you can get it to do so! I submitted as Jay has apparently done…and no dice on the clue. What am I missing?
Hi William
I will post some screenshots on the ‘The Future Has Arrived’ page, but in the meanwhile, these are the steps you should need to follow.
1. Complete the grid and click ‘Submit’
2. You will be prompted for your name and email address. Enter these, and click ‘Submit’
3. You will see a form with ‘Puzzle submitted’ at the top, which should have ‘COMPETITION – scroll down to submit’ towards the bottom. If you don’t see that text, you need to scroll down in order for it to display.
4. Scroll further down the Google form to see the boxes for your email address, your address, your clue, and the explanation. Enter these, and click ‘Submit’
5. You should see a panel headed ‘COMPETITION – scroll down to submit’ (slightly confusingly) – the important thing is that below this it says “Thank you for entering the Azed monthly clue-writing competition”.
6. That’s it. You will receive an email, subject “COMPETITION – scroll down to submit” which will have confirmation of what you entered on the form.
‘COMPETITION – scroll down to submit’ is the name of the Google form, so don’t be put off by the regularity with which it appears.
THANK YOU Doctor!
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Thanks for advice. I missed ‘(sometimes with about)’ in 31ac. i entered all on the screen and it was a doddle, excellent software although that tiresome ‘Check all the boxes with bicycles’ was a pain, since I often can’t see the photographs clearly enough. Hadn’t realised that this was possible.
I am pretty sure that you will only need to complete the reCAPTCHA if you are not logged in to Google, because the latter part of the process is using a Google form.
There is nothing more certain to get me interacting verbally with my screen than being asked to ‘select all images with bicycles. Anyway, I didn’t see anything in the Ts and Cs that said that an over-18 robot couldn’t take part in the competitions.
Submission of clues: presumably we submit a scan of our paper solution. But who checks these? A human being, just not Azed? Or is it done electronically? If the latter then it worries me that it may not be able to read my wobbly handwriting; V is often written pretty similarly to U; O is often untidy. Is there some electronic means of coping? And if it really can’t read my writing is my entry rejected?
A separate point: the answer to 31ac is pretty obvious with all the checkers; it’s a well-known expression I think. But it isn’t in Chambers. Should there not be something more than just “The Chambers Dictionary (2016) is recommended”, as there often used to be?
Hi Wil
I would strongly advise using the electronic submission facility – complete the online grid (being careful to check for typos), submit it, then fill in your details and provide your clue. No scanning required, with end-to-end digital transmission to the point that your clue reaches Azed, thus avoiding the risk of transcription error. Otherwise it would be postal submission as before, but I can’t see any reason for someone with a computer to choose that route.
The phrase in 31a is fine. In the Chambers entry for the intransitive verb, the text ‘(often with about)’ is included. Chambers tends to do this for the sake of brevity when the only meaning of the phrasal verb is the same as a sense of the verb on its own, but this still constitutes a dictionary entry when it comes to crosswords. Under ‘figure’, Chambers has ‘to reckon, work out (often with out)’, so FIGURE OUT is a valid answer. The equally valid ‘put off’ gets its own entry, because it has meanings not shared with a single sense of ‘put’. ‘Drop by’ does not have its own entry, but it appears as alternative to ‘drop in’, so it’s also ok. However, ‘look around’ does not have its own entry, is not an alternative form, and is not mentioned under ‘look’, so LOOK AROUND is not a valid answer (the sort of phrase that is sometimes referred to in crossword circles as ‘green paint’) unless the setter can find it in another dictionary and make explicit reference in the accompanying notes. ‘Look around’ is in Collins, so if it were the entry at 17d, the note ‘The Chambers Dictionary (2016) is recommended; 17d is in Collins’ would enable it to be used.
Stuck on my last one, 32A. The only word I can find that fits is the singular of my breakfast cereal, but I need a 4-letter word to go inside my 3-letter ‘toss’ (familiar to coconuts). Unfortunately, my chosen homophone of a colour doesn’t seem to mean ‘rubbish’, nor does the whole mean ‘scraps’.
Hi Jim
The breakfast cereal is good, the definition being ‘in scraps’. What goes inside your coconut word is indeed the name of a colour with a letter ‘doubling up’ at the end. There are three matching headwords in Chambers, and you want the first, ‘chiefly Scot’, one (which can be verb, adjective or – as required here – noun).
Hope that helps
Ah! Much appreciated. I must have skimmed that line, for which there is no excuse – missing the ONLY word I was looking for.
First time I’ve attempted this for a couple of years which, surprisingly, I have almost finished.
The one that has stumped me is 28A for which I have a solution but cannot associate with the clue other than it might be a “Marine gastropod”. The way I am interpreting this is that if the solution has the word “dry” placed around it, then it should be “surprising”. Unfortunately this doesn’t seem to work – so I am still stumped.
23A – turned out to be screamingly obvious, but the solution is not found in Chambers Online Word Wizard which is why it took me so long to finally crack it!
30A – not sure of the use of “Formerly” as my old Chambers (1988) gives no indication as such.
25D – I can’t disambiguate “The N.English” in this clue?
Any hints would be gratefully appreciated!
Hi MP, and welcome back to Azed!
In 28a, the answer is indeed a marine gastropod – it’s two words, (3,4), although the interactive version of the puzzle just shows it as ‘(7)’. The wordplay indicates “[a three-letter interjection meaning] that’s surprising when it has [a poetic word meaning] dry outside [it]”.
30a – yes, the current edition of Chambers shows the ‘abroad’ sense of the answer as being archaic.
25d – ‘The N. English’ indicates the Northern English form of the word ‘the’ (usually written with a following apostrophe).
Hope that helps!
Thanks for the clarification of 25D which is a nice one.
Despite having the answer to 28A I still have no idea what the wordplay is about. Your explanation seems to indicate that the wordplay is an alternative definition, or name, for the answer? No idea which of many potential words for ‘dry’ would go outside the possible ‘***’ interjection to produce this, and no idea why this would be ‘poetic’ when there is no hint of such in the clue. Definitely not on my wavelength this one!
Aha! Got it! There I was thinking of Gee and Wow!
Glad to hear it 😀
Hi Iain,
No. On my Windows PC I searched C?UDE using ‘All’. Got only ‘crude’. It may be that your Android version lacks the ‘bugs’ I found. You imply that the ‘offensive’ words are not default-blocked on your device. Thanks for the comment.
On a lighter note, I don’t think a (5,3) in your 1ac would exist in Brazil !!!
Ouch!! 😲
Hiya Please Two things – On your clue for 1ac – shouldn’t part of its explanation be (3,5) and not (5,3) ? Also, when finishing the grid, is there no longer a check to let you know that you’ve accurately finished it? A big thankyou in advance.
Hi Paul
1. Oops! Well spotted – with everything else going on Azed-wise today I clearly didn’t check that one carefully enough. Now fixed.
2. I’ve done a bit of testing. If you try to submit while there are still blanks in the grid, the app will warn you, and will ask you whether you want to cancel or submit. If you try to submit a filled, incorrect grid (mine consisted of all A’s), it will accept it and prompt for your details, exactly as it does if you try to submit a correctly-filled grid. Conclusion: you must make sure that what you see on the screen is what you want to submit, because the checking will only happen after the die has been cast. Hope that helps.
I can confirm that the “submit clue and explanation” functionality is working. It pops up after you submit a completed grid.
Thanks, Jay – much appreciated, and good to hear.
Thank you, as always, for your witty, informative, kind comments which I love looking up after I’ve finished the grid. I know all good things come to an end, but I’m no fan of the on-line entry and certainly HATE the idea (and I speak as someone who has never come higher than joint 28th!) of anyone even half-suspecting that any favouritism has ever been shown. I’ll miss indicating my favourite clue and adding a brief message of thanks to Azed. I’ll miss having the HCs too, but completely understand – as indicated in the latest slip – that all this may ease the pressure on Azed after such an incredibly long unbroken stint. Pleased that I got a mention in the the last of the HC lists though
Hi Sue, welcome to the blog, and thank you for your generous comments.
I completely agree with you about the favouritism thing, but all that the judge needs to do their job is a set of clues with associated explanations, and if that is all that they receive then no-one can suspect them of even subconscious bias. Being given a single list of printed clues will surely be easier for Azed than receiving bits of paper of all shapes and sizes, some with handwritten clues. But by deliberately making the process impersonal, the potential for any sort of ‘social’ interaction is sadly lost. Perhaps it might be possible in the future for contestants to be able to add a message, with all messages being consolidated and sent to Azed in advance of him producing the Slip.
Can I ask how you learnt that HCs will no longer be awarded? No-one has been able to confirm that for me, although no-one has been able to deny it either!
Thank you. I suppose it is the social interaction part that I’ll miss. Thus, I’m so pleased to have been able to thank Azed (and his wife) for everything at the wonderful celebrations recently in Oxford. Oddly, it’s the familiar eccentricity of all sorts of clues written on all sorts of bits of paper (not all typed) that I somehow liked. But, I do understand why that is not the best move forward. I just hate change, perhaps! Re the HCs not continuing, I must just have read it somewhere. Never a great accolade for the great and the good, but I was always quite pleased to attain one and see who else had too. Let me know if you find out the answer to that. And – as I said – am sorry that ‘favourite clue’ has gone too.
I know exactly what you mean! And it’s hard to escape the feeling that the joyous occasion in Oxford represented a watershed. Handwritten competition entries sent by post with completed puzzle and clue stapled together, puzzles set on ruled paper, grids filled without electronic aids, clues written using reference books…
I very much hope that HCs continue to be awarded, because they are an important source of encouragement to many competitors – even the ‘great and the good’ didn’t win prizes with their early Azed submissions.
It would be nice if HCs got one point, VHCs 2 and Prizes 3 – then Id have about 8029850285285 points – all HCs (mostly)
Sounds fair to me. I’m guessing, though, that you tend to give the numerical Listener puzzles a miss…
I found the online version as published but couldnt see where I was meant to add my clue ? Is it clearly there please ?
Hi Adelaide
It seems that at the moment is not possible to submit clues. Watch this space – as soon as anyone confirms that they have been able to submit a clue I will let you know.
06/07 15:36 Update – I am told that the facility to enter a clue and an explanation is now working as expected.
Finished the puzzle (July 8), clicked on SUBMIT, hoping that I could enter the completed puzzle and my clue for the competition, and was informed that my (clueless) entry had been submitted. Went back to my saved completed grid, and the option to submit had vanished. Will try mailing my completed grid and clue this time in the hope that it makes it across the Atlantic promptly. No complaints — I fully accept that these things take tweaking.
Hi Luciano, and welcome to the blog
If you’ve submitted a blank puzzle, all should not be lost. The data that you have entered (or not entered!) is saved in a cookie, so if you exit the Observer site, delete all cookies from observer.co.uk, and then go back in, you should find that you have a blank grid and will be able to start again (I’m assuming that you didn’t enter your email address etc). Note that once you get the ‘Puzzle submitted’ panel displayed, you may need to scroll down in order to see the ‘COMPETITION – scroll down to submit’ part of the form.
For Edge, you can go into Settings->Cookies and site permissions->Cookies and site data->See all cookies and site data, filter the list down to ‘observer.co.uk’ and then click Remove.
On Safari, it’s Settings->Apps->Safari->Advanced->Website Data->Edit, then select observer.co.uk for deletion.
I don’t currently have the following browsers installed, so the instructions are from the manufacturers’ websites.
In Chrome, go into Settings->Privacy and Security->Third-party cookies. Select See all site data and permissions, and in the box at the top right search for ‘observer.co.uk’. At the right of the site name, select the bin (🗑) icon, then click ‘Delete’ to confirm.
In Firefox, click the menu button and select Settings. From the Privacy & Security panel select Cookies and Site Data. Click the ‘Manage Data…’ button, and in the search box that appears enter ‘observer.co.uk’. When site is listed below, click ‘Remove All Shown’, then ‘Save Changes’. When prompted for confirmation, click ‘OK’.
Many thanks. I’ll give it a go. If it doesn’t work this time, the US Postal Service will be $1.65 the richer.
I use eChambers (eCh). Two quirks caught me. (1): ‘Offensive’ words are default-blocked on ‘Search’. ‘Spa?’ does not find ‘spaz’ (Azed 2,764). Solution: Click the toothed wheel (bottom right). Open ‘Settings’. Toggle ‘Hide in suggestions/search’ off. (2): ‘Search’ does not support ‘decorated’ letters (e.g., ‘é’). An Azed 2,767 word had four crossers and a mystery letter: C?UDE. Search gave only ‘crude’, not ‘coudé’. Solution: Singly substitute the ? with the few possible (undecorated) letters and repeatedly click ‘Lookup’. If you’ve got a real word, eCh shows it, with the decoration(s), and of course defines it. Thanks Doc for saying ‘OK’ to this post.
Jim, I wonder if your problem with C?UDE might have been due to inadvertently searching on just Noun rather than All or Adj. That was the only way I could reproduce your result on my Android Ch.5.0, which looks to me like a good version of the 2016 edition, plus the restored set of lost words.
In the newspaper 17d and 24a do indeed have ‘cover’ and ‘boots’.
Thanks, Andrew
I see that there are differences between the printed, interactive and PDF versions; in particular, the PDF appears to be an uncorrected draft. I have now summarized all the variations that I have spotted at the start of the notes.