Notes for Gemelo 10

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Gemelo 10 Plain

Solver difficulty rating

3.9 based on 42 votes (voting is now closed)

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The overwhelming view was that last week’s ‘all words the same length’ puzzle was far less challenging than the previous week’s ‘plain’, its rating of 2.6 being way down on G8’s record high of  4.5. The great majority of scores were 2’s and 3’s, with the 2’s predominating. I think that the gimmick may have contributed to its accessibility, but whatever the reason it was probably the most straightforward of Gemelo’s puzzles thus far.

Those who were thinking that this might be the ‘new normal’ may have had to think again. I’ll be interested to hear what you made of this puzzle, but there may be some solvers who would like Gemelo to be  ‘constrained’ more often. I did think that in some instances here the setter sacrificed accuracy on the altar of surface readings. I marked a lot of clues as being potentially worthy of comment, but I have limited myself to the usual 16 – if there are any others that you would like me to cover, just let me know.

Setters’ Corner: This week I’m going to look at clue 32a, “Removes platforms from headland, shielding last bit of Alcatraz? (6)”. The wordplay here has that handy three letter word for a headland or an Ethiopian prince containing (‘shielding’) the name of the last letter in (‘last bit of’) ‘Alcatraz’, but it isn’t the name given to the letter in the British version of English, rather the American form (as in ‘ZZ Top’ or ‘Liza with a Z’); this is suggested by the choice of ‘Alcatraz’ to deliver the letter, and the question mark which follows. This is fine as far as it goes; however, it does raise a general issue, on which my views have changed in recent years: can the name of a letter, rather than just the letter itself, legitimately be indicated in this way? ‘Start of campaign’ is absolutely fine for C, but is it valid for SEE? At one time, I would have said “yes”, but now I don’t think so – the ‘start’ of ‘campaign’ is what appears at the beginning of the printed word, ie C. If the solver is expected to translate this into the name of the letter, they need to be given a steer in that direction, using words like ‘letter’ or ‘character’, so  ‘character starting campaign’ would be fine for SEE.

Across

5a Obama, unusually without date, reads (7)
An anagram (‘unusually’) of OBAMA is followed by the two-letter abbreviation of a Latin phrase having the sense of ‘without a date’. The crafty definition refers to read2 in Chambers.

10a Brief note by side of gospel? (6)
An &lit, where the (4-2) brand name for a particular type of note (traditionally square and yellow) deprived of its last letter (‘brief’) precedes the final letter (‘side’) of ‘gospel’. The whole clue serves as a pretty good definition – one could even argue that the question mark is unnecessary.

13a Ultimately like Henry to come without first transforming need (8, 3 words)
The fat guy with the wives was the last English monarch who took the name Henry, so we must establish the ordinal attached to the next king (or queen, I suppose) with that name (ie ‘like Henry to come’), remove the first letter (‘without first’), and follow it with an anagram (‘transforming’) of NEED.

18a Piously goes without this gun for once (3)
I can see that I’m going to have to come to terms with Gemelo using the preposition ‘without’ to indicate containment, but I’m never going to accept it.  Here, when you put the string PIOUSLY around (‘without’) the answer (‘this gun’) you get a word meaning ‘once’ (ie ‘for once’). When it comes to the definition, ‘gun’ is a verb – I can’t give the Chambers definition here because it contains the answer, but it involves putting your foot down.

20a Greek poet unloading crates after second round (6)
There is undoubtedly something of Azed about this clue, where an eleven-letter Greek poet with the consecutive letters CRATES removed from his name (‘unloading crates’) goes after the usual abbreviation for ‘second’. I didn’t know the poet, but although his Wikipedia entry is pretty brief, he does get a mention in Chambers under the headword for the metre which he invented and which (I understand) frequently occurs in the choruses of Greek tragedies and in Horace.

30a Polish nobleman knocked back in very good blast (8)
Here we have a reversal (‘knocked back’) of a charade consisting of a two-letter word for ‘in’ (though you might have to think hard to come up with a sentence where they are interchangeable), a two-letter word meaning (according to Chambers, at least) ‘very good’, and an interjection along the lines of ‘blast!’ that you might associate with Snoopy.

34a Source of Thatcher’s limited amount of concentration (5)
The (2,4) name of a plant of the Cordyline genus, ‘whose sword-shaped leaves are used for thatching’, is shorn of its last letter (‘limited’) to produce a term for the strength of a solution (derived from the name of the process used to establish it)  or the concentration of an antibody, though surely not ‘amount of concentration’ (what even is that?). Suffice to say that there is very little about this clue that I like.

Down

2d Study old introduction to this book on style of living in Rugby? (12, 2 words)
This four-element charade starts with a three-letter word which has setters spoilt for choice – Gemelo has selected the archaic verb meaning ‘to study carefully’ (‘study old’). Then come the first letter of (‘introduction to’) ‘this’, the four-letter name by which a book of the Bible is usually known, and a four-letter string which has many familiar meanings (harbour, wine etc) but some unfamiliar ones as well, such as ‘style of living’. The answer is (7,5), the definition is by example, and the word ‘Rugby’ has been deceptively capitalized. I know the sequence of the first few books in the New Testament from a piece of ancient doggerel that involves wanting to establish where the Romans have gone, although I believe there’s another version where the Romans ‘carry on’ – and there may be others!

5d Trimmed whalebone on side of boat (4)
The six-letter word for whalebone is stripped of its first and last letters (‘trimmed’) to produce the answer; the definition seems rather vague.

6d Vulgar, boring songs perhaps lacking heart (8)
The combination of two five-letter words for ‘boring’ and ‘songs’ (or ‘commonplace instrumental performance’) loses the two letters in the middle (‘lacking heart’), the result being a word which was coined in 1845 by the politician George Smythe, MP for Canterbury. In an article for the Oxford and Cambridge Review about the late Earl Grey, he wrote “After 1812, and when the worse portion of the Tories got enthroned in the supremacy, when the ???????? principle (we must coin a word from the most expressive of languages to express all its intense vulgarity) began to obtain.” I can’t help feeling that the English language would have got on fine without it.” Smythe’s political career was abruptly derailed in 1846 when he was caught in a summerhouse with the 21-year-old Lady Dorothy Walpole the daughter of Horatio Walpole, 3rd Earl of Orford. It probably didn’t help that he’d put in an expense claim for the summerhouse…

7d Rough and ready hair for Sikh, though getting in tangle (9)
The four-letter word for ‘the uncut hair and beard traditionally worn by Sikhs’ and a two-letter word which can mean ‘though’ (as in “He’s a good player, though a little slow”) are contained by (‘getting in’) a word for a tangle.

9d Confused lecturer with leaves of paper? (7, 2 words)
This is an anagram (‘confused’) of the usual abbreviation for ‘lecturer’ and LEAVES which can produce two rather similar results, one being (1,6) and the other (2,5)  – only the latter can be used adjectivally, however, and is thus the one which (roughly) answers the definition ‘of paper?’.

12d Technically spread support when heading for green rule (4)
A three-letter (‘support [used] when heading for the green’) and the usual abbreviation for ‘rule’ combine to produce a word meaning ‘to spread’ which is shown by Chambers as ‘technical or dialect’, hence the qualifier in the definition.

17d Close friend hugging male water carrier (8)
A six-letter modern slang term for one’s closest friend contains (‘hugging’) a two-letter word for a male.

19d Spirit almost keeps entertainers in Asia (7)
The sort of spirit associated with zeits and polters sheds its last letter (‘almost’) and is followed by a three-letter word meaning ‘keeps’.

25d Guts of Scottish fish and one from New Zealand (4)
The six-letter Scottish fish which appears without its first and last letters (ie ‘guts of’) is often associated with Arbroath; the ‘one’ in the definition refers back to the ‘fish’ in the wordplay.

(definitions are underlined)

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27 Responses

  1. 🍊 says:

    ‘Zee’ — meh.

  2. Alison Essex-Cater says:

    I rather liked 8d, at least it made sense to me. I am however confused about 22d I’m presuming the definition is rodent and the last 3 letters are rat but not sure where the lid (? top) and grey fit in.

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Hi Alison

      The ‘lid’ is an informal term for something also known as a ’tile’ or a ‘titfer’, which contains (‘covering’) two abbreviations, one for ‘over’ and the other for ‘grey’. The definition is indeed ‘rodent’. Hope that clarifies things.

  3. Stockie says:

    I’ve managed to finish all 10 Gemelos so far without help, though I have had to look on this site for the parsing. I’m afraid I regard them so far as a slog rather than fun. Strangely, I thought 8 was rather clever

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Hi Stockie, and welcome to the blog.

      The comments here on G1-G10 clearly indicate that you are not alone in your view.

      I had no issue with 8 either – I’m happy to allow setters a little latitude when it comes to twelve-letter entries with nine checked letters, and I can’t imagine that any dedicated Azed-ers would expect every clue to go straight from wicket to wicket.

  4. AP says:

    One of the accepted rules of cryptics is – I believe – that the definition should always appear at the beginning or the end of the clue. Not the case in 18A here.

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Hi AP, and welcome to the blog

      The vast majority of clues in cryptic puzzles consist of a definition and a wordplay, in either order, so the definition will appear either at the beginning or the end; for ‘blocked backpagers’ it would be fair to say that this was a rule.

      In barred puzzle like Azed and Gemelo, there is scope for the definition to appear part-way through the clue, such that by substituting the answer itself for a pointer to the answer (typically an adjective like ‘this’ or ‘such’ followed by a short definition) the entire clue makes sense cryptically, thus satisfying the fundamental requirement for sound surface and cryptic readings. The definition most often gets ‘buried’ in two types of clue:

      1. The composite anagram, where the answer and some additional letters can be rearranged to produce another string. In “Master could be confusing such a brilliant person with me (4)”, for STAR, the definition is ‘brilliant person’, and by replacing ‘such a brilliant person’ with STAR in the cryptic reading, we get “Master could be confusing STAR with me”, ie MASTER is a potential rearrangement of STAR + ME.

      2. A clue like 18a here, where the answer itself serves in some other way to complete the wordplay. Another example would be “Treat, with this cement, changes to seat (5)” for TRASS, where TREAT with TR AS S changes to SEAT.

      So in barred puzzles particularly, although the definition is typically at the start or end of the clue, it could be lurking somewhere in the middle as long as there is something (as in the examples above) to indicate that the answer must replace an element of the wordplay. I hope that makes sense.

  5. Kev says:

    Despite having 2/3 of the letters I still need help with 8d please!

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Hi Kev

      8d Who makes plate of gold?

      The definition for the (6-6) solution refers to a person who makes plate, or thin sheets of metal. Regarding the wordplay, if you think about an athlete who won gold at the World Athletics championships, and what sort of medal was awarded to the athlete who came second, the answer describes the winner in relation to the runner-up. Hope that helps.

  6. stu says:

    Hey, I finished my first Azed 20 years ago, but only recently found this site. SO far, I’v eonly come here to parse answers after finally finishing the puzzles. It’s very useful!

    I, like many others, am finding Gemelo a bit of a chore compared to my usual Sunday fun. He’s certainly not living up to the expectations I had after reading his interview earlier this year. Is it merely a case of me getting used to his style, as I had to with JC? Or is it a case of him finding his stride? And how long do I give it? A year? I always found Azed “gettable”; Gemelo is far less so.

    I went to school with someone called Colin Thomas. But it’s not Gemelo. True story.

    He describes himself as a principles-based setter. “I think it was [The Observer’s] Ximenes who said the worst thing about poor crosswords is picking up the paper the next day and seeing the answer and thinking, ‘Well, I thought the answer might be that but I still can’t work out why it would be.’”

    and

    Previous Observer setters have taken names from the Spanish Inquisition, and Gemelo hints at that tradition, but Thomas didn’t want to be a torturer.

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Hi Stu, and welcome to the blog – I’m glad you find the site useful.

      It’s very easy to lose sight of just how good Azed was, and how he had the knack of pitching a puzzle ‘just right’ to provide fun rather than slog; even his occasional error was endearing rather than frustrating. I find it hard to escape the Alex Ferguson/David Moyes parallel from the world of soccer, and Azed is every bit as hard an act to follow. You’re not alone in your thinking, but it is still early days.

      • Susan Brown says:

        I will never lose sight of how unassumingly brilliant Azed was with all his humour, personality and wonderful PDMs. Much as I disliked Ferguson (not just because I’m an Arsenal supporter) I appreciate your soccer comparison! I’d love to see Gemelo’s character shine through a little more to get a sense of him before he – possibly – ends up doing a competition clue for us. Otherwise, we might as well be writing a fairly bland clue which could be entered in any crossword competition. S

        • Doctor Clue says:

          I don’t think I can add anything to that…except to say that I didn’t like Ferguson much either, and I’m a United supporter 😀. In both situations, though, the phrase ‘hiding to nothing’ feels appropriate.

        • Paul Pridmore says:

          PDMs?? Let’s not compound the enigmas – please expand this acronym with its dozens of possibilities. Thanks.

          • Doctor Clue says:

            Hi Paul

            For this, and plenty of others, please see the List of Terms in the Glossary, part of the Setting Room section of the site (click on the ‘+’ to expand the list).

            • Doctor Clue says:

              Incidentally, I would very much welcome suggestions for additions or changes to the Glossary (or to any other section of The Setting Room).

  7. Trovatore says:

    18a: Is “goes without” indicating (non-)containment or simply absence? I.e., the absence of [answer] from PIOUSLY?
    As for containment, if that’s what it is: I’ve never had a problem with “without” doing the job. As in “There is a green hill far away without a city wall”.
    Perhaps the rarer (though still to be heard in Scotland) “outwith” might deserve a comeback?

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Yes, it is indicating containment – the longer word would have to ‘go without’ something to produce the shorter rather than vice versa.

      The ‘outside of’ sense of the preposition ‘without’ is archaic – I didn’t understand that line from the hymn when I was at school (why would a hill ever have a city wall?), and it was written the best part of 200 years ago. The usage is explicitly forbidden by at least one newspaper, and it does nothing to counter the frequent accusation that setters are ‘out of date’. If we allow ‘without’ for containment, then we also must accept the adverb ‘among’ meaning ‘at intervals’ (eg ‘being among’ for BIG) and the noun ‘mark’ for a boundary (eg ‘marks in exam’ for EM). Gemelo felt the need to indicate that the ‘study’ word in 2d was archaic, so why not the one here?

      Incidentally, I don’t much mind ‘outwith’ – there’s no doubt about its meaning, and I’ve certainly heard it used, albeit not in the south of England.

      • Trovatore says:

        All good points. Just that I took “goes without this[=answer]” as a more-or-less equivalent to “is minus this[=answer]” on first reading.

  8. MuchPuzzled says:

    Phwoar! I thought this would be easier this week as I got about half of it done without help, but as usual had to resort to peeking at some of your hints. I really liked 13A, but thought that 8D was an outrageous piece of misdirection!

    A query on 25D which I’ve parsed as being ‘S***Y’ for the “Scottish fish” with “and one” being an essential part of the wordplay to give the last letter, so that the definition is “from New Zealand” – where the “one” potentially serves two purposes here?

    • Jay says:

      I used the alternate spelling ending -IE for Scottish fish, that way ‘one’ serves only as part of the definition.

    • Doctor Clue says:

      As Jay says, it’s the -IE spelling of the Scottish fish that is required here. I’ve always seen the Arbroath sort spelt that way, and a Google search for the two forms confirms this by 83,400 to 528. I’ve updated the Notes to make it clear that the first fish has six letters.

      I also liked 13a, and at the same time I couldn’t help feeling for Gemelo. I feel sure that he must have tried hard to think of an alternative anagram indicator to produce a really convincing surface reading, something with a sense of ‘establishing’, before having to settle for ‘transforming’.

  9. Jerry says:

    Hi, can I get help with 8d, “Who makes plate of gold?” (12)

    • Doctor Clue says:

      Hi Jerry

      The definition for the (6-6) solution is ‘[someone] who makes plate’, ‘plate’ here being a thin sheet of metal. One meaning of ‘gold’ is ‘gold medal’, and the answer is a whimsical way (hence the question mark) of describing it, or at least the person who wins it, based on the identity of the runner-up (there are other ways of interpreting the ‘gold?’, but they come to the same thing).

      Hope that helps.

  10. Jay says:

    Hi DC, thanks as always for the analysis. I was Interested to read your thoughts on single letter indicators which require the letter to be spelled out in the solution. I’m reminded that I saw a clue this week which worked the other way round, “Kay” in the clue requiring interpretation as “k” in the solution. I’m not sure I like either treatment.
    Enjoyed this puzzle. Alcatraz as a US indicator passed be by, so many thanks for that. I wonder if this is the one with alligators 🐊 👀

    • stu says:

      Rules, rules, rules. Here’s a thing – before I started solving Azed, I couldn’t care too much for the strictures of the Ximenean approach. I loved setters like Paul in the Graun. I’d read comments from solvers complaining a clue wasn’t “fair” and laugh at their innate inability to look beyond the guardrails. But then, since I found my Azed groove, I now hate it when setters veer off track. Paul is now my least favourite Graun setter. It’s probably my problem, not his. That’s a long-winded way of saying I’m with you on this one. ZEE? meh. I’m off to do some Dutch open-water swimming.

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